User ianjpalmer - Social Sound Design most recent 30 from http://socialsounddesign.com 2012-02-05T03:44:58Z http://socialsounddesign.com/feeds/user/62 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/12411/best-mac-keyboard-for-sound-editing/12420#12420 Answer by ianjpalmer for best mac keyboard for sound editing ianjpalmer 2012-01-30T12:58:58Z 2012-01-30T12:58:58Z <p>You could stick with the standard slim Mac keyboard and use a cover. I've used this for years now and am very happy. Plus if the keyboard breaks or stops working you can quickly replace it without it affecting work.</p> <p><a href="http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categories?category=Pro+Tools" rel="nofollow">http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categories?category=Pro+Tools</a></p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/12132/request-european-bgz-variety-birds-animals/12135#12135 Answer by ianjpalmer for REQUEST: European BGz variety - birds, animals ianjpalmer 2012-01-10T10:45:35Z 2012-01-10T10:45:35Z <p>Have you thought about using the likes of SoundDogs? They have the BBC libraries but you can buy individual sounds from it.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11814/remote-work-how-do-go-about-setting-it-up/11822#11822 Answer by ianjpalmer for Remote work, how do go about setting it up? ianjpalmer 2011-12-11T10:13:04Z 2011-12-11T10:13:04Z <p>I've done a LOT of remote work. I've used the same method that Stavro mentioned of simply sending the audio for them to sync in their edit suite and review, then send me notes. I find it a nice laid back workflow method studio billing time for reviews is taken out of the equation.</p> <p>I used to work in a place that did remote reviews live via ISDN where we sent the stereo mix to LA and we could also talk normally at the same time via a simple patching system. It's also possible to do the same via IP APT are one company who make such devices - <a href="http://www.aptcodecs.com/radio.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aptcodecs.com/radio.html</a></p> <p>Source Connect (http://www.source-elements.com/source-connect/) make ProTools plugins that do the same job, also via the internet. I've had patchy results but mainly due to bottlenecks appearing somewhere between myself and the other studio and that's the fault of internet infrastructure and nothing else.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11695/imdb-etiquette-can-you-just-claim-your-role/11730#11730 Answer by ianjpalmer for IMDB Etiquette: Can you just claim your role? ianjpalmer 2011-12-06T09:27:31Z 2011-12-06T09:27:31Z <p>Same here, I just add myself. I have no idea if the credit is checked with anyone or not.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11627/how-to-study-sound-for-any-film/11630#11630 Answer by ianjpalmer for How to study sound for any film? ianjpalmer 2011-11-30T10:20:30Z 2011-11-30T10:20:30Z <p>+1 for Andrew's suggestion.</p> <p>My suggestion for you would be to break down film sound into components and approach the film for each one. Please feel free to look at my old dissertation if it helps you in that regard.</p> <p><a href="http://ianpalmersound.com/2010/08/26/64/" rel="nofollow">http://ianpalmersound.com/2010/08/26/64/</a></p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11609/how-to-record-an-feature-animation-dialogue/11615#11615 Answer by ianjpalmer for How to record an feature animation dialogue? ianjpalmer 2011-11-29T13:00:06Z 2011-11-29T13:00:06Z <p>I've not recorded feature dialogue but I have done TV animation dialogue. We decided to keep it simple in the records and do any perspective changes required in the show during post. This is because there were no storyboards to work with and also because our cast was made up mainly of under 10 year olds.</p> <p>We recorded each character separately and positioned the actor about a foot away from the mic and with a pop-shield in place. This gave us nice dry dialogue to work with but without a lot of mouth noise and clack, especially good for the kid's performances.</p> <p>I don't think there's a right or wrong way to do this as there's advantages and disadvantages to the way I work and what Andy just said.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11554/use-of-library-sounds-vs-recording-from-scratch/11570#11570 Answer by ianjpalmer for Use of library sounds vs recording from scratch? ianjpalmer 2011-11-25T10:06:43Z 2011-11-25T10:06:43Z <p>I share Shaun's sentiment, mainly as I too work in TV. </p> <p>I disagree with Conant who's response seems a little naive to practicalities of life. I would love to record all the sounds I need but there simply isn't time (and budget) to do such things in the world of quick turn around TV work.</p> <p>Besides, another argument is why would I spend time and money recording, cleaning, editing, labeling basic things like footsteps when I can buy them for very little money and be using them in within minutes of purchase. That's less time than I would spend setting up a recorder. Additionally, there's some sounds that would be extremely difficult to source due to the props needed (guns are not easily available in the UK for example) or their location. Why would I travel thousands of miles to record ambiances I can easily source from a library?</p> <p>On the flip side nothing takes me out of a film or TV show like recognising a sound from a library.</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11175/sound-design-sound-art-post-production-magazine-recommendation/11179#11179 Answer by ianjpalmer for sound design / sound art / post-production magazine recommendation ianjpalmer 2011-11-02T14:20:37Z 2011-11-02T14:20:37Z <p>Resolution is rather good, especially for post. It does require a paid subscription though (not that that's a bad thing).</p> <p>I read <a href="http://www.audiomedia.com" rel="nofollow">Audio Media</a> as they have a free online only subscription. Again it's quite good for post sound, but not as much as Resolution.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/9813/social-sound-design-meetup/9819#9819 Answer by ianjpalmer for Social Sound Design Meetup? ianjpalmer 2011-08-23T08:36:17Z 2011-08-23T08:36:17Z <p>I've not been able to go to the first two but we have this in the UK. <a href="http://sonicmeet.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://sonicmeet.co.uk</a></p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/9636/going-into-debt-for-gear/9664#9664 Answer by ianjpalmer for Going Into Debt for Gear ianjpalmer 2011-08-16T08:26:16Z 2011-08-16T08:26:16Z <p>Thankfully I've never had to get into debt for equipment. I've bought two systems in my career so far and each time has been bought so I can do a particular job I've got. I agree with Tim that you need to be careful as a freelancer but there are times you have to have the tools for the job.</p> <p>Do you need something vs do you want something?</p> <p>That said I have bought a few toys recently that I didn't need but were in various sales and at a price I could afford, their normal RRP being way too high.</p> <p>Others here also mention (and I agree) that you get an awful lot for little money these days. I'd love some of the recording gear others use but as I don't need to do a lot of recording for work I am happy with my extremely cheap H1 for now. I also find that limitations force you to approach problems with a healthy attitude. Throwing money at a problem isn't always the best option.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/9522/recording-the-riots-in-london/9525#9525 Answer by ianjpalmer for Recording the riots in London ianjpalmer 2011-08-09T18:00:52Z 2011-08-09T18:00:52Z <p>I know someone who had thought about it. Sadly even some TV crews (BBC and Sky on Saturday) were attacked so I doubt it'd be easy to get close to any "action". I did hear <a href="http://www.soundsurvey.org.uk/index.php/survey/blog_comments/1447/" rel="nofollow">this</a> earlier today though.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/9079/wind-farm-wind-turbine/9082#9082 Answer by ianjpalmer for Wind Farm / Wind Turbine ianjpalmer 2011-07-11T21:17:37Z 2011-07-11T21:17:37Z <p>Where do you live? In the UK it's possible to visit them. Dammit, I clearly need to go to one now and record it.</p> <p>Here's a paper on the noise they create if that gives you any help at all. <a href="http://www.bwea.com/pdf/noise.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bwea.com/pdf/noise.pdf</a></p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/3530/wind-shield-which-makes Wind Shield - which makes? ianjpalmer 2010-09-13T13:03:46Z 2011-05-11T14:33:21Z <p>Hey all,</p> <p>I'm looking for a mini wind shield for my Zoom H1. I have looked and seen that Rycote don't make one for it. However, a company called <a href="http://www.redheadwindscreens.com/blog/zoom-h1-windscreen/" rel="nofollow">Redhead</a> do. Has anyone used Redhead products?</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/7751/tv-series-production/7752#7752 Answer by ianjpalmer for tv series production ianjpalmer 2011-05-07T10:19:27Z 2011-05-07T10:19:27Z <p>Lots of different ones.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/7273/cedars-on-dub-stages/7279#7279 Answer by ianjpalmer for CEDARs on Dub Stages ianjpalmer 2011-04-12T06:46:19Z 2011-04-12T06:46:19Z <p>Would you consider the DNSOne RTAS plugin? I've used it and I know other people rave about it. It really doesn't use much system resources and is fully automatable too. And of course you can have multiple instances of it. Plus if you're whole workflow has it then you could have it from your dial edit phase to the final mix without having to re-record anything.</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/6750/post-production-communities/6771#6771 Answer by ianjpalmer for Post production communities ianjpalmer 2011-03-23T09:11:45Z 2011-03-23T09:11:45Z <p>Nice question, it's something I've been thinking about for a while now. I do like the irony of a social group of competitors. Having spent a lot of time socialising online (there's pretty much zero socialising within the industry where I live) in the last year I've fallen in with a really nice bunch of people (on Twitter). There's people who are well into their careers and those just starting out or even still at Uni. We all have a grand old time though and I've not come across any unpleasantness at all. We all congratulate each other's successes and give support to anyone with problems.</p> <p>This site too is like that too. Where else can one go to ask questions and not be patronised or beaten down for asking such a "stupid" question?</p> <p>We are all competitors but that doesn't stop the notion of healthy competition. It's like we've all realised it makes for a nicer world with added benefits (such as tech support or feedback on ones work).</p> <p>Long may it continue.</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/6737/do-you-read-scripts/6743#6743 Answer by ianjpalmer for Do you read scripts? ianjpalmer 2011-03-22T09:33:23Z 2011-03-22T09:33:23Z <p>Speaking from a purely post production point of view I always prefer to read a script beforehand. I think it helps in a variety of ways, some aesthetic and some practical. It enables me to source difficult or specific sounds before production has started for example.</p> <p>I also find it helps get a feel for a film/series, especially in animation where the editing is often more an assembly and probably wont be straying too far from the script.</p> <p>If nothing else it can help start a dialogue between you and the Director/Producer which we all know is best to start as early as possible to ensure you're all on the same page from the off.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/6475/soundsnap-com-feedback/6479#6479 Answer by ianjpalmer for Soundsnap.com feedback ianjpalmer 2011-03-11T09:49:24Z 2011-03-11T09:49:24Z <p>I'm one of your "old school" members. I have to say I love the idea of the site. I use it a lot for getting something specific or different (as in not in the usual libraries) and has got me out of a hole plenty of times.</p> <p>However I do have 2 things I'd like to add. There's one thing I wish you'd bring back, the ability for me to upload and sell individual sound recordings. I'm guessing that the vetting process which I'm sure is a mammoth undertaking.</p> <p>My other issue is that some of the sounds are of a fairly poor quality. Some have background hiss and hum while others are clipped. I don't want to get into naming files and therefore people but it has rendered some files unusable in a TV broadcast setting. Perhaps vetting the person instead of every single file might be a way around the workload. Or perhaps you could add a way of reporting a poor recording and make the users become the vettors (is that a word)?</p> <p>Please forgive me if this comes across harsh but I really do love the site and am frequently on there looking for sounds.</p> <p>Good luck with it and long may it continue!</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/5869/free-level-meter-plug-in/5877#5877 Answer by ianjpalmer for Free Level Meter Plug-in ianjpalmer 2011-02-05T08:35:38Z 2011-02-05T08:35:38Z <p>I came across this freeware plugin yesterday. It's by Flux and called Stereo Tool. Going to give it a bash next week.</p> <p><a href="http://www.fluxhome.com/products/freewares/stereotool" rel="nofollow">http://www.fluxhome.com/products/freewares/stereotool</a></p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/5390/university-graduates-do-you-offer-your-dissertation-out-on-your-website/5393#5393 Answer by ianjpalmer for University graduates - Do you offer your dissertation out on your website? ianjpalmer 2011-01-06T16:09:28Z 2011-01-06T16:09:28Z <p>I agree with Iain. Put mine up for a bit of fun though too.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/455/how-to-approach-me-mixing How to approach M&E Mixing ianjpalmer 2010-03-23T09:32:37Z 2011-01-04T14:10:38Z <p>Hello all,</p> <p>I'm curious how other people do this. I've never actually had to mix an M&amp;E before as it was all done for me in the mixer routing in ProTools (I also had totally clean dialogue as the shows were all animations).</p> <p>Now I'm doing a live-action show that will have all the footsteps etc. replaced to create the M&amp;E track.</p> <p>I'm thinking of either mixing all the extra sfx/foley along with the dialogue so that it will be at an appropriate level with regards to the actual mix, or would it be better to just mix it as a seperate thing so it sounds correct and imagine how it would work underneath dialogue.</p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/5235/somethings-missing/5238#5238 Answer by ianjpalmer for Something's missing... ianjpalmer 2010-12-22T09:15:19Z 2010-12-22T09:15:19Z <p>There's a great brief scene in Nolan's insomnia where all the sounds of the police station are heightened for Pacino's character due to his increasingly neurotic state of mind, might help inspire some ideas?</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/5161/fade-to-zero-then-bang/5163#5163 Answer by ianjpalmer for Fade to zero, then BANG ianjpalmer 2010-12-18T09:53:25Z 2010-12-18T09:53:25Z <p>This is a classic technique.</p> <p>2 great examples are Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix. Voldemort and Dumbledore are duelling at the end. Voldemort appears to take in a lot of black stuff (magic?) into his hands, he then flings his hands open and creates a tremendous shockwave. I thought the sounds was really well done and used this technique brilliantly.</p> <p>Another great example is in Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers when an Uruk Hai runs towards some explosives beneath the wall of Helm's Deep. The sound dips just prior to the explosion. Again, another good example. </p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/4704/tyre-screech-recreation/4706#4706 Answer by ianjpalmer for Tyre screech recreation ianjpalmer 2010-11-22T18:10:30Z 2010-11-22T18:10:30Z <p>Find a car, drive it fast then apply the breaks very hard and voila! Sorry for the sarcasm. I had this connundrum a few years ago on a low budget animation. I ended up recording my brother in law skidding to a halt on a quiet country lane, a few takes was all that was needed as I then used pitching and time stretching to alter my 3 sounds to make more.</p> <p>Are you needing those sounds particularly? If so then there's places like Soundsnap that are great for buying a few random sounds for very little money.</p> <p>Good luck.</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/4656/creative-commons-and-copyright/4659#4659 Answer by ianjpalmer for Creative Commons and Copyright ianjpalmer 2010-11-19T15:27:57Z 2010-11-19T15:27:57Z <p>I like it in some regards as it does give some form of protection for your work.</p> <p>However, I wouldn't use sounds with CC licence in any commercial work. As far as I understand if I did the company I work for would have to reference the use in the end credits. There isn't enough room in the credits for every single person who has worked on a show as it is let alone adding dozens of references for sound effects use. This problem renders and CC SFX useless to me personally.</p> <p>On the flip side I appreciate that any sounds I have put on Sound Cloud come with this protection which makes me more comfortable having my own work online.</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/4643/prepping-a-mix-for-hdcam-transfer/4655#4655 Answer by ianjpalmer for Prepping a Mix for HDCAM Transfer ianjpalmer 2010-11-19T13:41:20Z 2010-11-19T13:41:20Z <p>I agree with Shaun. It's more about the delivery specs than the tape itself. Definitely goes AES/EBU if you can.</p> <p>If you are delivering surround it is possible to record the separate channels directly. For example...</p> <p>Channel 1 - L Channel 2 - C Channel 3 - R Channel 4 - Ls Channel 5 - Lr Channel 6 - LFE Channel 7 - Mix Lt Channel 8 - Mix Rt Channel 9 - M&amp;E Lt Channel 10 - M&amp;E Rt</p> <p>This is how we deliver a particular show for TV broadcast. </p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/4418/internships-what-studios-should-i-be-looking-at/4421#4421 Answer by ianjpalmer for Internships - What studios should I be looking at? ianjpalmer 2010-11-03T07:40:16Z 2010-11-04T09:35:04Z <p>Jessey,</p> <p>It would help if we knew which country you're either in or looking at.</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/1623/most-annoying-sound-ever most annoying sound ever ianjpalmer 2010-06-24T12:52:08Z 2010-11-01T09:00:43Z <p>What sound annoys you the most?</p> <p>I'm not a football fan at all and ever since walking through Galway last weekend and hearing that bloody annoying drone coming from every pub I've been enjoying the hilarity of the likes of Waves releasing ways to get rid of it. Sadly it's all gone down hill with this new button on YouTube. AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!</p> <p>I did suggest we got one at work to put on the match scenes of a football animation we're doing. Don't think my manager was impressed.</p> <p>Ian</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/4375/corrective-room-eq-rta-apps/4378#4378 Answer by ianjpalmer for Corrective Room EQ & RTA apps ianjpalmer 2010-10-30T14:38:50Z 2010-10-30T14:38:50Z <p>I have RTA Lite installed on my iPod Touch. I've never configured it or done any proper testing so I've no idea how acurate it actually is. </p> <p>+1 on a quick SPL checker though.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/4332/silence-in-your-life/4349#4349 Answer by ianjpalmer for Silence in your life ianjpalmer 2010-10-28T21:41:27Z 2010-10-28T21:41:27Z <p>Apart from when I am trying to get to sleep I actually find silence quite uncomfortable. Mainly as my mind races and inevitably I end up thinking about the stressful/unpleasant things in my life.</p> <p>I'm the same as others here tiptoeing around home trying not to wake my wife (who's chronically ill with ME/CFS and would be unwell for days after a disturbed night) in the morning while I get ready for work.</p> <p>It's interesting Tim that you mentioned a sort of implied silence, just like in film sound ;)</p> <p>One of the quietest places I've been was a cave about 50ft underground in South Wales. Apart from our own noise and an occasional drip it was total silence. It had the pitch blackness to match too. We all only lasted about 2 or 3 minutes until someone wanted a light turned back on.</p> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/12254/sound-design-sound-replacement-exercise-feedback Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2012-01-19T12:22:24Z 2012-01-19T12:22:24Z Flip sake, they'll let any ol' person on here! ;) http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/12132/request-european-bgz-variety-birds-animals/12135#12135 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2012-01-16T10:27:26Z 2012-01-16T10:27:26Z That's very understandable. I bought part of the BBC library from Sound Ideas as I needed something general for tracklay and didn't want to spend too much. It has a lot of atmospheres and was only $600. <a href="http://www.sound-ideas.com/bbc-1-60-hd.html" rel="nofollow">sound-ideas.com/bbc-1-60-hd.html</a> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11640/complexities-of-audio-cleanup/11646#11646 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-12-01T09:44:22Z 2011-12-01T09:44:22Z Really? It is possible to alter how much removal it does. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11554/use-of-library-sounds-vs-recording-from-scratch/11570#11570 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-11-26T13:21:48Z 2011-11-26T13:21:48Z Go to 12:19 on the video. <a href="http://soundworkscollection.com/ben_burtt_jj_abrams_hpa09" rel="nofollow">soundworkscollection.com/&hellip;</a> http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/11554/use-of-library-sounds-vs-recording-from-scratch/11570#11570 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-11-26T13:21:32Z 2011-11-26T13:21:32Z @Conant - Well perhaps the word &quot;naive&quot; is a little strong, my apologies that you were upset by it. However, idealism is something we all share but as one progresses with their career and spends more and more time working to deadlines it soon becomes clear how useful libraries are. We work in an artistic medium which is incredibly important to our culture and society. But let's be realistic, it's not important in the big scheme of things. Things like family and friends are far more important. It's all about work-life balance, something even the great Ben Burtt commented on that recently. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/9813/social-sound-design-meetup/9819#9819 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-08-24T07:06:12Z 2011-08-24T07:06:12Z Wasn't in the country for the first one and my wife was ill on the second one. Determined to get to the third! Isn't there one planned for September? http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/9408/where-do-you-sit-in-a-cinema/9409#9409 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-08-03T09:13:54Z 2011-08-03T09:13:54Z Same here and I gladly pay extra for posh seats too. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/9294/avid-certification Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-07-26T14:37:07Z 2011-07-26T14:37:07Z I know a few people with some qualifications but I've never got around to asking why. I looked them up and like you was completely put off by having to start from scratch. Plus having to pay all that money which is quite a lot considering it's a corporate qualification. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/8842/difference-in-sound-between-animation-and-real-shot-film/8845#8845 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-06-28T10:42:15Z 2011-06-28T10:42:15Z Yeah, the dialogue is recorded first and then animated to. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/7401/matched-or-unmatched/7422#7422 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-04-20T22:13:46Z 2011-04-20T22:13:46Z Qn Jennifer. Would you turn down a job because it is being mastered in Stereo? Broadcasters dictate the specs not us dreamers ;) http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/7273/cedars-on-dub-stages/7279#7279 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-04-16T09:48:43Z 2011-04-16T09:48:43Z I used the DNS One last year and like Justin I mapped it onto my ProControl, just like having hardware. It's oh so quick to to automate the NR that way. Never used the hardware version sadly. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/7034/how-to-minimizing-noise-and-reverb-with-diy-multi-band-expansion Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-04-04T08:30:51Z 2011-04-04T08:30:51Z SPL make a simple RTAS plugin called De-Verb, does quite a respectable job for very little money. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/6934/wheres-wilhelm Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-03-29T14:41:47Z 2011-03-29T14:41:47Z I like your idea. How's it copyrighted though? I downloaded a copy from wikipedia (or it might have been freesound) but it's under a CC Licence. Plus I hear it every time someone sends me a text message, cue hilarious looks from people in public when I &quot;scream&quot;. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/3530/wind-shield-which-makes/6735#6735 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-03-22T09:21:13Z 2011-03-22T09:21:13Z Man this thread was started an age ago. @studio13 - Having lived with the RedHead for a while now I'd say check them out. http://socialsounddesign.com/questions/6475/soundsnap-com-feedback/6479#6479 Comment by ianjpalmer ianjpalmer 2011-03-15T10:22:58Z 2011-03-15T10:22:58Z Tasos - I was searching for cats and there were a fair few files that I wouldn't use as they were not old but noisy. I can't remember which ones now which was why I suggested some sort of flag model on each sound file. I don't have time to go back through my search so I'll try to bring your attention to files whenever I come acrossthem. Cheers Tasos!