After selling my Fostex FR2-LE due to requiring a more handheld recorder that I can carry around daily to capture those unexpected sounds, I was all set to buy a Zoom H4N. But upon some last minute research, I came across the Tascam dr-100. Now the units seem similar, but whats enticing me about the Tascam, is the included rechargable lithium battery that automatically switches to AAs as back up when this runs out of juice (unaffecting recording), as constantly purchasing and changing the batteries on the zoom is a potential pain. Also, the pre-amps on the tascam seem better from the reviews i've read as well. So, what are the opinions on here?
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I've owned both and I'd recommend the H4n. Both have crappy battery lives Both are built out of plastic The DR100 has tons more switches, but only about half of them are useful I wasn't happy with the DR100s built in mic quality, especially in comparison to the H4n H4n will go into 4 track mode, DR100 will not I did a shootout a while back, located here: http://thesoundmyheadmakes.blogspot.com/2010/11/handheld-recorder-shootout-part-1-specs.html edit - if you're just planning on using the internal mics I'd seriously consider saving up the extra couple hundred bucks and getting the PCM d50. Insane battery life, way better mics (that swivel), metal build, and 4 gigs buit in memory. I use mine daily. Another option in that same price range is the sony PCM-M10. even crazier long battery life, mics about as good as the others in that range, metal build and built in memory. |
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I own the DR-100 and have used the Zoom H4N once as well. I've never done a side-by-side shootout, but there are a few features on the DR-100 that made me like it more than the Zoom:
A couple of downsides:
All that being said, I also have the Sony PCM-D50 and the noise floor for the internal mics is much lower than the DR-100. The mics on the D50 are great as well and the unit construction and battery life are much better overall. My partner and I really only bought the DR-100 to use as a second handheld recorder that had XLR inputs. |
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@Noiseboy I bought a zoom few months ago and I am generally satisfied. The only downside is the automatic sample rate to 48kHz @ when it goes into quad, the background noise of the preamps when recording sources at low volume and ... changing batteries is to be considered. I can tell you that I have quite a lot for my money! ; O) Bernard |
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If budget is not the main concern, do not go for zoom. I have one myself and I'm quite satisfied with it. It's serves good for the price. And saved my ass in many occasions. But in addition to above mentioned points I would also add, "slooooow startup". I find it a little annoying, especially when I hear something interesting out of the blue and wanna capture it asap. The smaller the sd card the faster it loads I realized tho. So maybe its just a minor irritation on my side :) |
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I own the Tascam one and the main downside I find to it is there is no facility to attach a strap, it is intended to be either handheld or it has a tripod screw at the back. It works fine if you're recording still, it's a pain if you're planning to move around, e.g. recording dialogue on a shoot. The wheel is a very nice feature to navigate through the menus or move forward/backward when listening to your recordings. However, it goes crazy (the navigation sort of stalls) when you spin it too fast. It's nice to have physical switches to the most used functions like phantom, limiter and mic gain (three positions, L/M/H, I recorded firecrackers from a 5m distance in L, smashed a TV from a 1m distance in M and all "usual SPL" recordings I do in H). The meters are OK, fairly responsive. Because there is no way that you can easily walk around with it, you'll usually set it and forget it. The gain wheels feel nice although it's a bit of a pain to set different gains for each input (you need to hold one wheel in place otherwise rotating one will rotate the other, and it's a lot of fingers in one place if you have big fingers). I read somewhere that using two mics in the XLR inputs would increase preamp noise. I haven't run into this problem, using an AT8015 and an NT1-A. So there you go, running in the field it's a pain although I'm sure if I took the time I could make a bag for it, otherwise it works fine. If you're recording still it just works. |
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agreed with Rene, if you plan on using internal mic's most of the time, then h4n is a better option. |
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If you want something solid (metal-cased), pocketable, quick startup with single button record and runs for hours then skip those recorders and chose the Olympus LS-11. This operates on readily available AA cells with in-built 8Gb flash memory (will support additional 32Gb SD card), remote control, V-sync control (used to be called vox), Cubase LE4 software, carry case, cables etc. It's got good preamps and produces an excellent stereo image. In my opinion anything with XLR inputs places it out of the pocketable league and often requires additional preamp equipment to take make it worthwhile - not ideal for your requirements described. |
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also there will be new recorder from roland in october http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/roland_systems_group_introduces_new_r_26_portable_field_recorder/ |
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I bought the Zoom and for the money i spent on it... it serves me right. Some of the things you all said bothered me as well, but there are some other things to consider before buying one. First, you can't control the channels separately. Secondly, the noise level is kinda high on the headphone. Also the gain is deceiving, and I it makes me want to go after a pre-amp, which is too much trouble. So if you're a musician that just wants to record rehearsals or if you are only interested in mobility and - mainly - if you have no money, the H4n will be ok for you. Otherwise I wouldn't recommend it. Oh, but the built-in mics are gorgeous. The sound is clean and powerfull and I love it. |
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As far as usage with internal mics goes, has anyone got opinions of the zoom h2n? I wonder if having 5 mic capsules doesn't suggest a compromise on quality. |
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For me the selling point is the A/D converter and balanced/unbalanced line in for my mix/pre. H4N definitely loses some signal detail when going in the unbalanced line in. |
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Myself, I would frankly continue with the Fostex. And I actually do, though it is the regular bigger FR2 hanging from my shoulder wherever I go :-) I was working with the H4n about a week ago and got a little disappointed. It's definitely not a bad machine, and as I got a very vital part of my FR2 smashed the same day I was leaving (fixed it the same day I got back home! Love this easily mend-able machine :-)), I had no choice than to go with it, but it has a very compressed sound even though all compression was off, it had way too soft somewhat padded treble, and a rather high noise-floor. But the thing that annoyed me the most was that it seemed to refuse to record in true mono! For some reason, rather than choosing one signal for the mono-feed, it mixed the two channels together, adding any noise and phase-distortion to the one signal... At least it did with the internal mics, I suppose the same applies to the externals, though I didn't try to change input to try it out. |
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